Finding Food Freedom with Diabetes with Danielle Bublitz

The amount of fear-mongering and widespread misinformation about diabetes is overwhelming, to say the least. Perhaps the most alarming assumptions we are led to make about diabetes are that only people in larger bodies get diabetes and that there is a one-size-fits-all approach to managing diabetes.  

When it comes to the diabetes conversation, have you ever felt like common sense was the missing ingredient? If so, you’re 100% correct. The fear-based messaging like “you’re just one donut away from diabetes” indicates how out of control it’s become. What I want you to walk away with is knowing that you can make peace with food, even with diabetes- and one of the best ways to do that is through adopting an intuitive eating approach. 

To help us tackle this topic, I’ve invited Danielle Bublitz, a weight-neutral registered dietitian who not only specializes in supporting clients with all different types of diabetes but has also lived with diabetes herself since she was a teenager. Danielle will help us debunk some of the most harmful myths about diabetes and help us understand why having diabetes is not your fault.

In this episode, you’ll learn 

• Why carbs are essential even for diabetics
• How easy it is to equate having diabetes with moral failure
• Why restrictive eating makes it so hard to care for ourselves well
• Which foods to consider adding in your diet to support your body’s needs
• The pros and cons of using a Continuous Glucose Monitor (CGM) as a diabetic  

To learn more about Danielle and her work, connect with her on her website at www.foodfreedomdiabetes.com, or follow her on Instagram @foodfreedomdiabetes or on Facebook @DanielleBublitzRDN.

TRANSCRIPT

Welcome and Introduction for Danielle Bublitz

Jenn Salib Huber 0:02
Hi and welcome to the midlife feast the podcast for women who are hungry for more in this season of life. I'm your host, Dr. Jenn Selena Huber. Come to my table. Listen and learn from me. Trusted guests, experts in women's health and interviews of women just like you. Each episode brings to the table juicy conversations designed to help you feast on midlife. Hi, everyone. Welcome to this week's episode of the midlife feast. I'm so excited to introduce you to Danielle Bublitz, who is food freedom, diabetes on Instagram. She is a fellow Registered Dietitian. She's a certified Intuitive Eating counselor. She's herself a type one diabetic, as you'll hear about in the episode. And she works with people with all kinds of diabetes to have a peaceful keyword peaceful relationship with food. And since we're talking a lot about insulin resistance this month in the midlife feast community, and I'm going to be talking about it a lot on social media. I knew that she was going to be the perfect person to just come in and have a normal conversation about what are some of the myths around diabetes? What are some of the misinformation that's out there that's actually hurting and harming people. I asked her about her opinion on the CGM trend, which you'll definitely want to listen to. And she shares some of her favorite tips for people who are trying to manage diabetes and just a common sense, weight neutral, intuitive eating approach. So have a listen, I know that you're gonna love it. Welcome Danielle to the midlife feast.

Danielle Bublitz 1:32
Thank you so much for having me.

Jenn Salib Huber 1:35
It's kind of funny, because I would say that you're in a small group of people who are not in midlife who are guests on this podcast, which is totally fine and awesome. But the reason that I wanted to invite you specifically is that you're a fellow dietitian and certified Intuitive Eating counselor. And I absolutely love how you talk about diabetes and nutrition on social media. And I thought there really isn't anyone else that I want to have this conversation with. So, so welcome.

Danielle's Background and Expertise

Danielle Bublitz 2:04
Thank you so much. Yes, I so appreciate the invite, and I'm excited to chat with you more about this topic.

Jenn Salib Huber 2:12
Okay, so why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about you, your work and how you kind of got into the field of working with diabetes specifically.

Danielle Bublitz 2:22
Yeah, so I'm Danielle. I've been working as a registered dietitian for a little over like six years now. I was diagnosed with type one diabetes when I was 16 years old. Prior to my diagnosis, I had been struggling with binging you know, tons of diets. My pediatrician had told my mom when I was 10, that I needed to lose weight. And so from that point on, I was on the diet cycle. So getting diagnosed with diabetes, nobody else in my family had it. And it was just such a it was such a huge shock. Like we just didn't, you know, I didn't have like a parent or a grandparent to kind of like look to like that had experience with this. So I basically was trying to gather from my the dietician, I had from the doctors all that.

And I was given pretty black and white advice that many other people with diabetes have received as well. You know, it's cut your carbs. If you lose weight, this will help you know very black and white information. And for somebody struggling with binging it sent me in at first a perfection spiral where I needed to eat perfectly, then straight back into the binge cycle. So I became very interested in nutrition. I went to school in Northern California, all that and when I finally became a dietitian, I work clinically but I always feel like I've had a heart for people with diabetes like myself.

And when I started learning about intuitive eating, I realized like wait a minute, all these diets, all these patterns that I have felt stuck and lost in have never benefited my blood sugars. But as I started making peace with food, diabetes management started becoming so much easier. And that's why I started my business to help other people. Whether you're like newly diagnosed or you've had diabetes for a while really learn how to manage your diabetes without restriction.

Common Myths About Diabetes and Nutrition

Jenn Salib Huber 4:34
Oh my goodness, I love that so much. And the reason that we're talking about this is in so in my community in the midlife peace community, September we're talking all about insulin resistance because it is such a big topic, especially for people in midlife, especially for women who are in that menopause transition. And there's so much misinformation, fear mongering, like it's just straight ate up fear mongering misinformation. And I would even go so far as to say harmful information. Because it's not that it's just not helping their diabetes, but a lot of it, I think is actually harming and hurting their long term health. So I would love to hear from you. What do you think are the three biggest myths around diabetes and nutrition? I can't wait for this.

Danielle Bublitz 5:25
There's a lot Oh, my gosh, Google is like, can be a whole Doom scroll for people. But I would say probably one of the biggest misconceptions and myth is that sugar causes diabetes, to kind of like debunk that one in a very small snippet. When you have diabetes, you know, let's say you have type one, your body is no longer producing insulin, which the role of insulin is to help bring glucose energy into the cells. So when you eat, like, that's what is happening.

And it's important. And don't say you have type two, or maybe another form or there's insulin resistance, like you mentioned, you're still producing insulin, but it's not using that glucose. It's not being used efficiently. So some of that blood sugar kind of stays. And, yeah, that's where that challenge comes from. But this idea that sugar is the one causing diabetes is such harmful rhetoric that sends people on, you know, tons of elimination diets, things like that.

And it's not actually the reason that you're struggling with diabetes, it's more of your pancreas is having that issue with like the resistance or just not producing insulin.

Jenn Salib Huber 6:46
Yeah, and I just want to say that, again, that sugar does not cause diabetes, I feel like that needs to be on a t shirt on a billboard in every city. Because it is it what I think I find a little bit terrifying is that that narrative is becoming mainstream. Even very, what I would consider very well informed consumers, and people who would consider themselves like above average, in terms of understanding health, from a very evidence based background, still often have this belief that sugar is the cause.

Yeah, so I 100% agree with you. And the way that I explain it, and I think you did a great job. But the way that I kind of add to that conversation around type two diabetes is that the problem is with the engine, it's not with the fuel. And so if you cut the fuel source, you're not actually fixing the engine. And so we really need to think about it as an engine issue that maybe needs a new part maybe needs an upgrade maybe needs, you know, the work done on it.

But if we, if we cut the fuel, then nothing is gonna work. Well, you may not be, you know, having a compromised engine function anymore, but it's not the solution. And I think that that is so fundamental to people being able to have that peaceful relationship with carbohydrates, because they're terrified. They're terrified. Absolutely.

Danielle Bublitz 8:17
And I think it doesn't help that even in like the medical field, like the way like I see, I've had clients send me pictures of posters in the subways and stuff like that, that it's like, you're one donor away from diabetes, or Yeah, yeah. Or you have a higher chance of being pre diabetic than getting eaten by a shark. And it's like, what the heck is this information that we're getting?

So we're basically putting, you know, so much moral failing on people for like, exactly what you said, it's like, why are we putting so much an emphasis on something that is not truly the cause of your issue? And I could go into a whole spiral, but I think it's really what makes it challenging for people with diabetes to get proper interventions for themselves proper medications, proper care. So absolutely, that is a huge,

Jenn Salib Huber 9:13
so that's the first myth is that sugar, sugar does not cause cause diabetes, and the myth is that it is so what would be another myth that you feel really dominates this conversation?

Danielle Bublitz 9:24
Well, you kind of mentioned it with carbohydrates that so I would say a big myth is that people with diabetes can't eat carbohydrates. And, you know, that's ranging from bread to fruit. I see these things all the time on like social media, and I know there's a lot of medical professionals when somebody goes into the doctor's office or whatever that say, yeah, you need to eliminate those. In reality, carbs are our body's primary fuel source.

And if anything, people with diabetes, really, really benefit from having carbohydrates, not just for that energy source, but for making sure we're keeping our blood sugar stable, there's even certain medications like you absolutely need to have your carb source or you're going to take and that's a dangerous situation to have, you know, a low blood sugar event. So, carbs are essential. And, again, I think it goes back to that other narrative with like sugar causing diabetes, is that when we start eliminating carbs, that restrictive mindset makes it so hard for us to care for ourselves. Well,

Carbohydrate Restriction and Blood Sugar Control

Jenn Salib Huber 10:32
yeah, I agree. And I think that what people don't, aren't aware of, and by no fault of their own, but because it's not part of this really common conversation is that there really is no long term, good quality evidence, that tells us that carbohydrate restriction as a short or long term intervention, benefits your disease.

So you can find lots of small studies with small groups of people for a short period of time, that will show improvements in blood sugar, but when you look at the long term, population studies and like looking at those longer term interventions, carbs come out on top right diets and include whole grains, especially that are high fiber, so have reduced risk of incidence of diabetes have better blood sugar control in the long term. And it's more sustainable, which, as intuitive eating counselors, that really is the take home message is don't do anything that you don't want to do for the rest of your life.

Danielle Bublitz 11:33
It impacts your quality of life, for sure. Because there's the social aspect of being able to go to a wedding and be able to enjoy the food and not be stressing about it or you know, just being able to have a meal with your family without picking apart everything on your plate. So yeah, I definitely agree. And, you know, I, I was, I found it really interesting because I know a lot of diabetes forums and things talk about like the keto diet, carnivore diet, like these high protein, very low carb or no carb diets.

And with the research, there's actually more research showing that people that were doing these keto diets had worse blood sugar control. So I think it's just like you said, it's like carbs come out on top. So it's so much better to be able to learn how to incorporate them, because it's gonna help your quality of life help your blood sugars, and yeah, just really just help your relationship with food in general. So yeah,

Jenn Salib Huber 12:32
and one of the things that I see happen all the time, I'm sure you do, too, is somebody's maybe diagnosis pre diabetic or early type two diabetes, by their, you know, their family care provider, primary care provider, is given some really generic advice, carbs, you know, have less bread. And so the way that people interpret that is they try to have the least amount possible.

And they will often forego those high fiber really filling, satisfying, slow absorption carbohydrates in favor of like protein. And I can't tell you the number of times that somebody who has been trying to just have eggs in the morning, and then their blood sugar is not improving. And then we add in oatmeal. Like within a week, their their sugars are coming down like magic. Yeah. And they're and they're upset, they're like,

Well, I did this because my doctor told me to do this. But I think that that's such an important point that if you're given any kind of dietary advice, for a new diagnosis, make sure that the person who's giving it is qualified to do so. Because it's not helpful to get bad advice.

Danielle Bublitz 13:43
It's written, I think that's so challenging, too, because, you know, in the diabetes space, it can feel super isolating, and you're trying to find support, but I do find and even talking with some of my past clients, you know, though, sometimes I get messages from them, like, oh, my gosh, I joined this Facebook group, and I immediately left because it's like the plethora of restriction and judging of foods, it's like, Listen, if somebody else wants to cut these carbs in their life, so be it, but that is not sustainable. And it's not really serving you well. So let's just like cut that out. So

Jenn Salib Huber 14:20
yeah, yeah. Okay, number cruising. What's number three?

Danielle Bublitz 14:24
I know, sorry, this.

Jenn Salib Huber 14:25
I could talk about this forever. We would like talk and talk and talk. I knew this.

Danielle Bublitz 14:28
I know. I know. Okay, so the last one is that people in larger bodies get diabetes, just that sentence alone. And I want to say that people in all size bodies get diabetes. People in all size bodies get type two diabetes. And I say that because I think I even just posted something yesterday, which I was getting so much feedback from people because I said, being in a larger body does not cause diabetes.

And it's like, it's so hard for people to grapple around that idea. And in reality, you know, we go back to what's going on in the body. So we're thinking about the endocrine system, we're thinking about what is happening with your pancreas. What are the factors that could be, you know, causing, like genetics, family history, a lot of people with polycystic ovarian syndrome, it increases insulin resistance. So whether you are in a small size body, or a large size body, if you have some other factors at play, that is more likely than not related to a development of diabetes than the size of your body.

Why Weight Is Not A Behavior

Jenn Salib Huber 15:41
Yeah. And I would love to just kind of continue that conversation because there's so much fear around body size and shape. And for women in midlife, especially, there is a very well documented trend of waking in midlife, there's a lot of fear mongering by industry, by nutrition, sometimes and non nutrition professionals. And there's a lot of this, like, moral obligation to try to shrink your body. And it's often under the guise of health, right? And so it's like, well, I need to lose weight to support my health. But when it comes to managing any chronic condition, we need to kind of put that on the backburner.

We can't make weight the metric because we can't always control that in the way that we can that we would want to maybe write or I mean, ideally, it would be a button that everyone could just choose what they looked like. But that's not the way that it works. Right?

So why is it that we can have people in larger bodies who can manage their blood sugar without weight loss? Why I mean, we know that to be true, but I think that that's a really hard thing for people to understand or to even understand the evidence for it, because they're so used to getting that lose weight, and condition XYZ will improve, especially with diabetes.

Danielle Bublitz 17:09
Yeah, absolutely. And I think in like a very weight centric medical system that we have, it's just a very repeated message, you know, it's like, okay, well, you got diagnosed with diabetes, I mean, you're in this category of weight. Your options are bariatric surgery, you know, cut carbs, you know, all the restrictive patterns.

But if we're actually thinking about what is health promoting weight is not a behavior. And so if we're making that the primary focus, you're going to see people going down paths of disordered eating, weight cycling, which actually, you know, is more detrimental to our health, for the cardio metabolic factors and even increasing insulin resistance. So I think, another another part of that, too, is thinking about some of the weight stigma and even like the health inequalities that happened for people in larger bodies, a lot of times people experienced so much weight stigma, they don't go to their doctors. So you may be dealing with a lot of medical issues.

But you don't want to have to go to the doctor and feel paraded or feel like you're being shamed for something happening within you. So yeah, I think this topic is super hard to process for a lot of people, but I just want to reiterate that, you know, if you do get diagnosed with diabetes, this is not your fault. Diabetes is not your fault. And also, diabetes is something that can be managed. And we just really, like Jen was saying, it's like finding someone that is qualified and someone that you connect with that can really help you find the interventions that are helpful for your life.

Jenn Salib Huber 18:55
So let's, let's try and follow that that thought and let's talk about some of the things that people can add in as part of a weight neutral approach to managing blood sugar. What are some of the things that really apply to anyone, regardless of the size of their body?

Danielle Bublitz 19:13
Yes, so some of my favorite things to chat about with people. I mean, definitely thinking about what can you add in versus what you can take away? And so what that can look like is how do you balance your plate? So if we're thinking about including carbs in your diet, okay, great. What kind of carbs do you like? Is it bread? You can absolutely have bread. Okay, do you want to create a sandwich? What proteins can you add? What's your fat source like a condiment? And then is there a veggie you can throw in maybe you can have some lettuce with your sandwich or maybe you want a side of some carrots.

You know, thinking about what can be added onto the plate versus removed is going to benefit you both like mentally and then also for that satisfaction, because As you know, think about it if you were to have a salad and there's no croutons, there's no protein, there's no nothing. It's a very sad and unsatisfying salad. And it's also not going to give you lasting energy, which you touched on with breakfast with adding in that kind of like slower carbohydrate. So that's one thing I always chat with people is how can you pair your proteins, fats and fibers with carbs?

Same with snacks, you know, string cheese and carrots, do you want to have maybe like some yogurt and granola and some berries? It's like, finding ways to balance your day with energy that's consistent. Yeah. Some other things. I also like sharing too, is like the quality of sleep. And I understand as like, I'm a new mom, I get it. You know, sleep is not.

Not always guaranteed. And there's a lot of things at play. But research has shown that even being able to get like seven hours of sleep can be super helpful for reducing some insulin resistance. because sleep is restorative. So I always talk to people, you know, like, what is your kind of like, sleep routine. And usually people are like, I don't know, I'm on my tick tock in bed. And I'm like, Hey, same, but it is really helpful to maybe like wind down an hour before you go to bed, have some tea, read a book, kind of just let your body decompress. And that can help with your quality of sleep. So that's another one I like sharing with people. Another one I'll share too, is movement. But I know with especially working through intuitive eating, a lot of people don't have the best relationship with movement. So I always encourage no matter where you're at, it's like think about things that you enjoy doing. Do you like gardening?

Great, that's excellent move movement, do you have to clean the house, that's for sure. Some movement, any form of movement that is going to fit into your life is going to benefit your blood sugar's because as your muscles are contracting, it's up taking that glucose into the cells. So again, it doesn't have to be at the gym for two to three hours. Actually, that's not a good idea for anyone. But, you know, it doesn't have to be in a gym setting. And it doesn't have to be an hour of something, it can be five to 10 minutes of something you already enjoy doing.

The Connection Between Movement and Blood Sugar

Jenn Salib Huber 22:36
Yeah, and the movement piece is, I think, often secondary to people's relationship with food. That, you know, when people are trying to untie it from diet culture, they often kind of just let everything go, right, which is I think part of the process is you just kind of have to let it all fall apart and then build it back up with intention. But sometimes there's still this all or nothingness with movement. And you know, like you're saying it's the contraction of the muscles that we need.

And that can be anything from doing like squats at your stove, while you're stirring supper, to walking lunges down your hallway, it can be going up and down the stairs an extra couple of times, like all movement counts, and it is so so helpful for a wide variety of conditions, obviously, but I think it can be one of those easier add ins when we have that more flexible definition of what movement is for managing our blood sugar. I love that. Absolutely.

Danielle Bublitz 23:32
Yeah. So those are a few. Those are a few things that I like to share with people because I think they're something that anyone can kind of find their own rhythm with. And it's not putting that pressure of, you're either doing it right or wrong. It's just like, just try, you know, just try it out, see how it works for you. And I think that's one of the things with diabetes management. And I think also with other like medical conditions, it's really trying to find the tools that are going to work best for your life. Because each person with diabetes has a different blood sugar response.

Each person with diabetes has different things happening in their lives. So getting that very generic. Carbs lose weight. Somehow it's not super helpful. No, it's not. Yeah.

The Controversy of CGM Monitors Exposed

Jenn Salib Huber 24:20
Okay, so here's gonna be a hot topic question. What is your opinion on this latest CGM trend for both non diabetics and also kind of new diabetics because I am hearing a lot of new people saying I just found out that I have pre diabetes or I've just been diagnosed with type two diabetes and the first thing they do is they run out and buy a CGM to help them what they think is kind of understand the impact of food. What's your take on all that?

Danielle Bublitz 24:53
Oh, okay. So I definitely think there's a lot of pros out there are cons you know, I myself wear a continuous glucose monitor and huge Yeah, it's made a huge difference in my life as far as the ease of being able to see patterns, you know, not having to prick my finger like four or five times a day. So it's like there's a lot of benefits for somebody with diabetes.

But where it can become problematic is the fixation on the numbers. It's very, very similar to the fixation on calories and weight. So often, I find people getting really stuck on numbers. And so let's say you have pre diabetes, and your doctor prescribes you to wear a CGM. It may be more stressful for you to see that trend. And so my thought process is for people with pre diabetes and diabetes, like, you know, think about how it's affecting you mentally, because if you're finding that you're constantly looking at it, or the trends are putting you in this, like fight or flight response, then maybe we need to reel back and maybe we need to hold off.

For other people, it may not faze them at all, but I that's something I do see in the diabetes space. But I will say, for people without diabetes, this is definitely not not helpful. I mean, I feel like that's teetering on the line of like some Orthorexic tendencies.

Jenn Salib Huber 26:35
I don't think it's teetering. Like I was like, am I watching people into orthorexia and its

Danielle Bublitz 26:43
nose diving into Orthorexic tendencies. Yeah, okay. Okay. I'm glad we agree on that. I was like, yeah, yeah. But yes. I mean, I've seen accounts where it's like, come watch me eat a bag of chips and see what happens to my blood sugars.

And I think that's so problematic. It's just adding again, too. You know, that sugar causes diabetes, carbs should be eliminated. It's like if somebody without diabetes is freaking out over their blood sugar response, how do you think somebody with diabetes feels, you know, it's so, so not necessary. And, honestly, these continuous glucose monitors are expensive, and very hard for people with, you know, diabetes to get. So I think being like taking that resource away and using it for these videos and using it for even like weight loss. I've seen some companies that promote that. So it's just diet culture, and nose diving into orthorexia. Totally unnecessary.

And the last thing I'll say about that is, you know, every person diabetes or not, when you eat carbohydrates, your blood sugar will rise. That is how your body gets the energy. The difference is for somebody that is struggling with insulin resistance, or maybe does not produce insulin is that we need that extra support. We need the support, whether it's medication or insulin. So that's the difference. That's all I have to say. I,

Jenn Salib Huber 28:19
I agree 1,000%. And I just want to add a recent conversation that I had with a parent, kind of an acquaintance, and her daughter who's nine or 10, I think has recently been diagnosed with diabetes. And the mum was, you know, talking about how, how much reassurance she gets from her daughter wearing the CGM. And I think what most people don't understand is that to an insulin control diabetic, the concern isn't it being high.

The concern is that being low and that is what CGM is really I think have like life saving capabilities for right totally get the arm that if you've gone low, there is no one who's an insulin control diabetic that I know. I'm sure they're out there. But most of the people that I know are like, I don't even look at my blood sugar unless it's trending low, then I pay attention. Right? It's

Danielle Bublitz 29:19
scary. It's not good times.

Jenn Salib Huber 29:22
Exactly. And so what you have, you know, these wellness influencers and these misinformed people, because I don't know how else to describe them, who are saying, Oh, look, I had this meal and my blood sugar only went up to, you know, X. But that is not a measure of anything. Like there is no correlation, whether your blood sugar, it's in the normal range.

It's in the normal range. That's all that matters. Yeah, right. So I think it's just so important to know like that this technology has been really misappropriated and is being misused and abused and it's causing Apple Any and it's taking this valuable resource away from people who actually really need it.

Danielle Bublitz 30:04
Yes. And like I said it, it really was life changing for me. And speaking of like, children, it's like I so feel for parents, you know, with children with diabetes, because I know that fear of like, okay, they're going to sleep, are they going to be okay? And I know there's tons of parents that wake up at two in the morning to go into their child's room to check their blood sugar.

So yes, the CGM M's are so helpful for somebody with diabetes. And it's laughable when I see these posts from people influencers, and they're like, I ate blah, blah, blah. And I went up 10 points. And I laugh because I'm like, huh, that was my fasting number today. That's hilarious. You know, so.

Jenn Salib Huber 30:50
And the reason that I'm trying to stay away from numbers is that Canadians and Americans use different numbers. And so if we say the numbers, it's just going to confuse people. So like, going up 10 points on the Canadian reference system would actually put you outside of the normal range. So anybody who's listening, just know that these are different ranges.

But we're talking we're saying the same thing. We're saying the same thing. Um, oh, my goodness, Daniel, this has been an amazing conversation. I know, it's gonna be really helpful. And I know that it's going to be a well loved episode. So I always ask my guests and even though you're not in midlife, I would love to know what you think is a missing ingredient. You can just say, in life in general, you know, since you're not in midlife yet.

The Missing Ingredient to Midlife According to Danielle

Danielle Bublitz 31:33
Um, wow. I mean, honestly, I think being able to find ways to enjoy your life that include food, truly, you know, it's like, you don't have to be a foodie, you just, what are ways that food can be that celebration for you again, what are ways that you can, you know, spend time with others in your life because I truly feel like what I have gained from letting go of dieting, and you know, the pursuit of weight loss is that I've gained so much more quality of life and moments with people, especially my newborn like, I'm so excited to show him all the foods, you know, things like that. So, yes, I am not at midlife yet. But I would say, keep that enjoyment of food because it totally enhances your life.

Jenn Salib Huber 32:25
Food joy. It absolutely does. So if people want to learn from you and learn about you, where's the best place for them to look, and we'll have all these in the show notes, but just kind of tell us where people can go.

Danielle Bublitz 32:39
Yeah, so I'm mostly on Instagram at food, freedom, diabetes, you can find me there. Tick tock of rarely, but you know, I show up sometimes. So yeah, find me on Instagram.

Jenn Salib Huber 32:51
Awesome. Thanks again for sharing your wisdom. taking time away from your busy day and your family. We I really love this conversation and appreciate all the common sense that you bring to the diabetes conversation online.

Danielle Bublitz 33:07
Thank you so much. I super enjoyed chatting with you too. So thank you again for inviting me on.

Jenn Salib Huber 33:15
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